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☪️ Muslim heaven:
Food, companionship, maidens, mansions, land, pleasure, reward, all that and more, anything which you may desire.
✝️ Christian heaven:
Singing ‘Kumbaya, My Lord’ for eternity
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Alhamdulillah for Islam.
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Why converting to Eastern Orthodoxy would be a mistake 🧵
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You are out of your mind if you think this is as blasphemous as a black mass.
You cannot serve God and MAGA. This is as blasphemous as the Black Mass.
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I attended the TLM for the first time yesterday. Some thoughts as a lifelong Novus Ordo attendee:
1) There were like 8 altar servers. All of them made themselves useful. It was pretty cool.
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The author of the Quran thought Christians believe God took a son (18:4; 19:35). He also thought that we worship Mary as a goddess (5:116) and that we worship three gods (5:73; 5:116).
I consider these to be clear proofs that the Quran was not the work of an all-knowing being.
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Unfollow every single person that you see retweeting or liking pornographic content.
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I went to the most reverent Novus Ordo that I’ve ever experienced last night.
The gospel was sung instead of read, Latin incorporated throughout, ad orientem, a paten, six altar servers, etc.
Let this be a sobering reminder that it’s not the Novus Ordo that’s the problem.
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Protestants: “Catholics will say that they venerate Mary, but the word ‘venerate’ means ‘to worship.’ ”
Also Protestants: “That puppy is adorable!”
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@DailyLoud
Since people are asking for evidence, here is Andrew Tate admitting to getting women to tattoo his name on them through emotional manipulation.
He also admitted to using this manipulation tactic in grooming his girlfriends to enter the pornography industry (see second tweet).
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Please pray for me. I have been struggling with several mortal sins over the past several weeks. I have gone to confession but keep backsliding.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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@benshapiro
Direct living descendants of the Canaanites have been genetically identified within Lebanon. Does that mean the land belongs to them?
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I believe the Hagia Sophia should be returned to the Christians.
I do not believe the Cathedral of Cordoba should be returned to the Muslims.
These are not contradictory or inconsistent statements.
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Zoomers will look for spiritual experiences in drug dens but not churches
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11) Probably will start going to these more often. Nice experience. Would recommend.
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@CatSzeltner
“A Christian person who is never perfect, but living in the struggle to get there.”
But they’re not trying “to get there.” They’re unrepentantly facilitating an atrocity the Church has always condemned.
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@USinHolySee
A despicable, indefensible act.
Is this what you call “diplomacy”? To fly a pride flag in the Holy See?
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New Book out now by Craig Truglia from OrthodoxChristianTheology !! Here is the book link:
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I read the Alexandria document and it does not do this.
Moreover, the implication that “it affirms the Orthodox position on the Filioque” is completely and utterly fictitious.
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2) The procession went HARD. Definitely one of my favorite parts. I liked how everyone venerated the cross as it passed by. We should do that at Novus Ordo parishes.
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3) Communion takes a LONG time. Not a bad thing, was just surprised it took that long even with two priests distributing the Eucharist.
4) I see what people mean by the beauty of the TLM. It’s an amazing display of reverence.
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@Sachinettiyil
This is at the Church of Saints Peter and Paul in Capocastello di Mercogliano; the Diocese of Avellino.
If anyone speaks Italian, they may want to write to the Diocese and respectfully inform the bishop that this took/is taking place.
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8) One advantage this has over the NO is that it allows all believers to worship with a common language instead of having separate masses in Spanish, English, French, etc.
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If you're baptised Orthodox and choose Blessed Augustine as your patron saint, you're off to a bad start.
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People converting to Orthodoxy over misinformation they saw on the internet is something of a pattern at this point.
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Muslims continue to fall for this Facebook-tier internet meme.
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First, I would like to preface this by saying how I appreciate your invitation to send in arguments and I look forward to your husband’s response.
However, many of the reasons behind this decision are not accurate.
Send your arguments. Hubby will respectfully address them.
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The first point is papal supremacy, which was not the result of some power play of the 9th century. Consider the 5th century pope, Leo the Great. Catholic and non-Catholic scholars alike agree that he made claims of supremacy:
So let’s begin.
1) Dr. James T. Shotwell, Professor of History at Columbia University, and Dr. Louise Loomis, Professor of History at Wells College, “The See of Peter”
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I wish Catholics would stop using this image.
Pope Leo XIII spoke highly of America’s independence and called it “proper and desirable to assert and secure the rights of many.”
The Gadsden Flag represents both of those things.
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Are you really blaming “Western Christianity” for why an Orthodox Christian in Romania converted to Islam?
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Remember, Pope Leo is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church. So either the Eastern Orthodox venerate a public heretic… or supremacy is not heresy. But if supremacy is not heresy, and is in fact orthodox doctrine, then the Eastern Orthodox deny orthodox doctrine.
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People who are venerated within the Eastern Orthodox Church who weren’t actually Orthodox 🧵
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7) For some reason I think this would be especially effective in helping to convert Muslims and EO. Don’t know why, just a feeling.
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6) At the same time, I think this would be an amazing means of evangelism. Similar to how you see EO inquirers remark on the beauty of their liturgies, I think this would be a great way first impression for people who don’t know the faith.
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5) I was thinking about what would happen if we brought this back as the norm instead of the Novus Ordo. I think a lot of average Catholics who only know the NO wouldn’t like it.
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I’m going to explain to you why this was a very stupid thing to have posted.
When many non-Catholics share this video, they don’t consider Pius’ reasoning for destroying unapproved translations of scripture that can be harmful to souls.
They just see a Catholic burning a Bible.
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Right wing Twitter: “The liberal media lies! Don’t trust the media!”
The media: *posts misleading headline about Pope Francis*
Right wing Twitter: “w-woagh… why would he do this?”
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10) A lot of people knelt for a LONG time after mass ended. I didn’t know if I should go or not.
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Deboonking Christian Mario's claims on Catholicism
A thread 🧵
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For those who haven’t heard of the Epistle of Pope Agatho, allow me to provide an overview of the document and its significance in both proving Catholic claims about the papacy and dispelling myths surrounding the condemnation of Pope Honorius.
A thread 🧵
I have never heard a satisfactory Orthodox response to the Epistle of Pope Agatho.
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Rome is the most important Petrine See because that’s where the successors of Peter’s chair and ministry are (this is explicitly taught in the councils).
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Leo himself is a powerful witness to the reality of papal claims. It is Leo who said that the Pope, as Vicar of Peter, should be received as Peter, and it is Peter (from Leo’s perspective) who rules every man Christ rules principally. This includes the fathers and the apostles.
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@AndyBuzz72
Christians we’re celebrating Christmas more than a century before Sol Invictus’ feast day and you’re using English etymology to make a point on Roman linguistics (in Latin “Sun” sounds nothing like “Son”)
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9) Oh, and the altar servers were wearing small cassocks? That was surprising. At Novus Ordo parishes it’s just the white alb.
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This is incredible!
It seems that Pope Hadrian was simply quoting Pope Boniface (d. AD 422).
This means that the necessity of every Christian church maintaining communion with Rome was explicitly taught and understood before the Council of Ephesus, let alone the Great Schism.
"[Rome] is certainly for the churches throughout the world the head of the members, and any church that separates from her is alien to the Christian religion, since it has lost connection to her."
Pope Hadrian to the Bishops of Spain; written around AD 785-792
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Catholics are so unnecessarily disarmed when the Church is derided for being patriarchal.
Yeah. We’re a patriarchal religion by modern standards. Who cares?
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“My religion restored the true teachings of Christ”🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩
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This is one of the worst Eastern Orthodox arguments.
4 out of 5 Patriarchs held to the heretical Ecthesis. 4 out of 5 Patriarchs subscribed to the Henotikon and followed Constantinople into schism.
In both cases, the Bishop of Rome was correct despite being the outlier.
@matthewpao1
@HTVogt513
@rigavitch
My friend, 4 out of 5 Patriarchs are Orthodox, not Roman.
2 out of 3 Petrine Sees are Orthodox, not Roman.
I say this respectfully: if you truly felt you were home, you wouldn’t have anything to complain about regarding your Patriarch.
Instead, when/if you’re ready, we’re here.
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This was a true primacy of power. Leo made this clear in the most explicit terms in his own correspondence and actions. Consider Letter 14, where Leo says that there was a certain distinction of power among the apostles, and from which a model a distinction between bishops arose
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Actually, the disciples sided with Paul *against* the Judaizers at the Council of Jerusalem. They agreed that Christians weren't required to keep the old law.
They were not doctrinally opposed to each other. In fact, they even referred to Paul as a dear friend.
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To make a long story short, Canon 28 was one that Leo saw as violating Nicaea. In response, Leo didn’t merely not consent to the Canon, he claimed to actively annul it entirely by the authority of Peter.
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Can we go five minutes without some Orthodox convert acting like they’re emotionally invested in a 13th century military operation on the other side of the planet?
@deadseescroll
May they sincerely repent and come back to Church of The Living God. As a former RC I have to be honest about my feelings on this: I believe they have completely lost the Grace of the Holy Ghost. God help!
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People tend to overestimate the catechesis of the laity before Vatican II.
Consider the following description of Italian Catholics from the late 19th century:
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This is because the Pope, as unique vicar and heir of Peter, received his authority from God over the whole Church, and all other bishops had their legal authority communicated to them through him. His authority was greater than that of a council.
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Please pray for Richard, a Catholic who recently passed away.
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“If not by an Orthodox priest, you’re not [baptized]”
That’s not even what Eastern Orthodoxy teaches.
It’s also ironic that he claims to have “the canons” on his side when there is at least one ancient canon explicitly contradicting the idea that heretics lack valid baptisms.
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Saying you converted because you didn’t want to worship God forever is not the own you think it is
@meacheww
I was Catholic before converting and my mother took me to see a priest to answer questions. I had one- what do we do in heaven after our life is through? "We spend eternity worshiping God." Yep. No thanks. I was baptized the next month.
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This is possibly the worst take I have ever heard from an Eastern Orthodox twitter account
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By the time of Boniface, Rome had repeatedly affirmed the supposed “heresy” of the Filioque for centuries.
St. Boniface was actually a western Orthodox Christian under the Orthodox Patriarchate of Rome before it fell into heresy and schism.
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Eastern Orthodox continue to misunderstand the term “Doctrinal Development”
It’s precisely because you lack “later developments” that your Church can’t seem to make up its mind on something as simple as rebaptism.
Early Church: "Don't change the faith."
Orthodox: "Don't change the faith."
Orthodox: stay the same
Catholics: "You need a Pope to not change."
Catholics: change
Catholics: "Well doctrine also develops."
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But actions speak louder than words, and we see both under Leo’s pontificate. This leads us to a famous demonstration on papal authority during his tenure as Pope: his response to the 28th Canon of Chalcedon.
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Not only were there “plenty” of Trinitarian fathers, but St. Dionysius of Alexandria (left; “Epistle to Dionysius Bishop of Rome”) and St. Theophilus of Antioch (right; “To Autoclytus”) both use the term “Trinity” over a century before the Council of Nicaea.
Apparently,
@InspiringPhilos
thinks that there were plenty of Trinitarian Ante-Nicene church fathers. I'd be happy to test that claim out in a formal debate. However, if our last discussion on the Trinity is an indication of your incompetence more generally, I doubt you'd have
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Of course, the Pope had/has a primacy of honor, but that did not/doesn’t come at the expense of power.
However, to speak specifically to one of your claims, a “power grab” certainly didn’t come about in the 9th century.
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The Catholic Church has historically forbid the reading of unapproved translations of the Bible because bad translations can be harmful to souls.
This is made abundantly clear by how some modern versions translate the first chapter of John (VOICE, MSG, and NWT respectively):
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All of this took place well before the 800s, and we can continue further still. My point is that I fear you have been misinformed on the history surrounding this true doctrine.
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@JaneAndersonCDG
What utterly deceptive nonsense.
Severus was not black. He was of Punic (Carthaginian - Phoenician Greek) and Latin Roman parentage.
The fact that this man used the tondo as evidence of this claim is worse considering it's well known that it was depiction of gender.
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Testament to this is simply seen in the 9th century grievances of Photius, who do not include any mention of power grabs in his list of grievances against the west:
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The *only* intention behind “common era” (BCE/CE) is to try and erase Christ. It does nothing else besides that, and for that reason alone it should be rejected by every Christian.
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We see other examples for supremacy too. Pope Gregory said all bishops are subject to the Pope on matters of discipline. Gelasius claimed the Holy See deposed bishops in the context of the Acacian Schism. Pelagius II single-handedly annulled the acts of a Constantinople synod
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You will never recreate pre-schism Western Christianity. You have no Leonine ecclesiology, you have no Augustinian Filioque, you have no Pope. You are a schismatic twisted by Eastern pity and sensitivity into a crude mockery of Rome's perfection.
😍‘They did the Jewish meal blessing prayer in Latin.’😍
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@AngryBlackLady
There was a debate over when ensoulment occurred, but the Church never approved of abortion. We have a catechism from 70 AD that expressly forbids it.
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We have several supposed relics of Christ’s face and thousands of ancient icons depicting him but for some reason modern leftists insist that an Ai-generated image from two years ago is “the true face of Jesus”
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Acknowledging the Pope as the head of the Church was extremely common pre-schism.
Here are excerpts from the acts of the Council of Chalcedon, the Council of Ephesus, and the Lateran Synod of AD 649 demonstrating this.
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Somehow, Christianity is both a) the only religion that’s told it can’t be persecuted and b) the only religion that’s told it deserve the persecution it routinely faces.
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7th century synods that taught the Filioque include the 6th (638), 8th (655), 11th (675), 12th
(681), 13th (683), 14th (688), 15th (688), 16th (693), and 17th (694) Councils of Toledo, the Synod of Merida (666), the Fourth Synod of Braga (675), and the Council of Hatfield (680).
@strivetobekind
@NeilNPNW
Because it was a heretical addition invented by the Franks, and fundamentally alters the nature of God… Oh and it was never used for the first thousand years of church history.
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As for the “band of brothers” claim, that is true and still is (in a sense). The Pope and the bishops enjoy a common dignity, but as Leo says, not a common rank. However, it’s also important to note that not even all EO were of the opinion that the primacy was simply an honorific
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Of course, ordinarily, or typically speaking, the Pope did not always exercise the authority he had directly, but the fact remains that the Popes had and have that authority, and have exercised it throughout history.
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@TheNatlInterest
I was intending to join the military but decided against it after a) the vaccine mandates and b) the ridiculous emphasis on DE&I in what should be a meritocratic institution.
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Orthodox Twitter routinely attempts to deride or dispute Catholicism through accusations of anti-Orthodox persecutions while simultaneously ignoring or actively supporting anti-Catholic persecutions.
Our Orthodox brothers in the replies showing their true colours...
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@Ch_adfontes
“Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them”
St. Hippolytus, 215 AD
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For instance, from the perspective of EO theologian Olivier Clement from his book "Conversations with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I," the primacy came with real and actual responsibilities. It wasn’t just a matter of etiquette.
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I still have no idea how to say Archbishop Lefebvre’s name and at this point I’m too afraid to ask.
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The concepts underpinning the Catholic understanding of "Papal Supremacy" are widely acknowledged as being pre-schism in origin; claimed and taught by some of the greatest fathers in history.
This thread will explore that consensus in regards to one in particular: Pope Leo I 🧵
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Third Constantinople, a council which Eastern Orthodox are bound to accept, approved and received an epistle from Pope Agatho which specifically said that Rome would always be indefectible:
The second claim, that Rome will always be orthodox, is explicitly stated at least once and alluded to elsewhere in the document. This is part of the reason why I originally said I’ve never heard a satisfactory Orthodox response to this Council-approved letter.
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This is significant because the original iteration of the Nicene Creed was not the one the EO recite today. They use the iteration defined at the Council of Constantinople, which added a massive amount of additional content. Here is a side-by-side comparison:
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Hey Josh, remember that time when Antioch came into communion with Rome so the Patriarch of Constantinople installed a parallel hierarchy and relentlessly persecuted the Melkite Catholics with help from the Ottomans?
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But we have the fullness of faith.
Pre-schism Popes were clear that the Apostolic See (Rome), founded upon Peter’s confession and strengthened through his intercession, could not fall to heresy.
This teaching saw indirect approval by the Third Council of Constantinople.
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Anyway, the inclusion of the Filioque does the exact same thing, and is no more of a change to the Nicene Creed than Constantinople’s additions (that is to say, it is not a change).
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This is supported by the Council of Chalcedon (below), who says that Constantinople’s additions were acceptable seeing as nothing heretical was introduced and it simply amounted to mere clarification about the Holy Spirit against those who opposed the orthodox understanding:
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The Council of Hatfield, one of the earliest and most important Anglo-Saxon Christian synods, confessed the Filioque in the Nicene creed
@NickGriffinBU
This claim of “Eastern Orthodoxy being the faith of the English fathers” is utter and demonstrable rubbish.
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@strivetobekind
Muhammad ﷺ appealed to the natural disposition of humans 😲.
Dude thinks he did something
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